Title: IRS's Efforts to Improve Customer Service and the Taxpayer Experience Description: The IRS has a long-standing goal of improving its taxpayer services and experiences. But many Americans still struggle to connect with the IRS or report having a bad experience when they do. What is the IRS doing to improve the taxpayers' experience? We'll learn more from GAO's Jessica Lucas-Judy. Related work: GAO-25-107408, Taxpayer Experience: IRS Should Fully Establish Its Approach for Using Evidence to Assess Service Improvement Results Released: July 2025 {Music} [Jessica Lucas-Judy:] A lot of IRS's focus more recently has been on taxpayer service or customer service. But the taxpayer experience needs to look from the whole journey. [Holly Hobbs:] Hi, and welcome to GAO's Watchdog Report, your source for fact-based, nonpartisan news and information from the U.S. Government Accountability Office. I'm your host, Holly Hobbs. If you filed your taxes this year, you may have visited the IRS's website, called the toll-free helpline, or used some of IRS's other tools to help you fill out tax forms. The IRS has a long-standing goal of improving its taxpayer services and experiences. But many Americans still struggle to connect with the IRS or report having a bad experience when they do. So what is the IRS doing to improve the taxpayers' experience? We'll learn more about these efforts from GAO's Jessica Lucas-Judy, who has a new report out on this issue. Thanks for joining us. [Jessica Lucas-Judy:] Thanks for having me. [Holly Hobbs:] Jessica, maybe we can start with what's wrong with IRS's efforts right now? [Jessica Lucas-Judy:] Well, so it's not so much that something's wrong with it. Most people when they're interacting with the IRS, it's very easy. You just file your taxes and you either get a refund or make a payment. And it's done pretty quickly. But IRS has had these long-standing challenges for doing things like answering the phones, not having taxpayers waiting online for a long period of time, balancing the phones and the correspondence--the mail essentially, processing returns when there are errors or identity theft or returns that are filed on paper, and really just dealing with modernizing its technology and its infrastructure. They've also had difficulty in recruiting and retaining staff. And a lot of IRS's focus more recently has been on taxpayer service or customer service. So the individual transactions and that's really from the agency's perspective. But the taxpayer experience needs to look from the whole journey, the whole interaction that a taxpayer has. And that might be in-person, it might be online, it might be through their online account. And that's really where IRS needs to be focusing more. [Holly Hobbs:] So IRS knows that the taxpayers are looking for an improved experience. What all are they doing to improve it? [Jessica Lucas-Judy:] They've had a number of different efforts underway here. They got tens of billions of dollars in additional funding several years ago through the Inflation Reduction Act. And they outlined a strategic vision for the future for what they wanted the taxpayer experience and the IRS experience to be, had a strategic operating plan that had goals, including things like making it easier for taxpayers to meet their tax obligations and to get the tax incentives that they're eligible for, and to be able to resolve issues, any issues that arise quickly. They put together more than 100 different projects to try to help achieve this. And these included things like improving the IRS website, making enhancements to online accounts, as well as providing better equipment and better technology for the customer service representatives to be able to help taxpayers. [Holly Hobbs:] So we talked to some taxpayer advocacy groups. What did they tell us about these efforts so far? What do they think? [Jessica Lucas-Judy:] Yeah. So we talked to ten different groups that represent different kinds of taxpayers and tax professionals. This included the National Taxpayers Union, the Taxpayer Advocate, the National Association of Enrolled Agents. And they outlined for us different taxpayer wants and needs. These included things like sort of what you would expect, right. Secure and easy online tools and then an easy to interact with website, clear and timely guidance from the IRS about how to interact or how to pay their taxes, sufficient staff to be able to answer phone calls and respond to correspondence timely, and the opportunity for taxpayers to be able to engage with the IRS when IRS is making these improvements and learning what it is that taxpayers need. [Holly Hobbs:] So they're monitoring what IRS is doing. But what about IRS itself? How is it monitoring to see whether its efforts are working? [Jessica Lucas-Judy:] So one of the things that we looked at, IRS had this outline for its future vision that included these goals and more than 100 projects. They put together an oversight body or structure to help them implement these changes--including designating executives to have accountability for the different projects that were going on. They had a taxpayer experience office that was designed to help the different parts of the IRS to be able to consider the taxpayer experience. And they also had a transformation strategy office that was responsible for the implementation of the strategic operating plan. And they started mapping out the different journeys that taxpayers go through. You know, I was talking about the difference between the customer service and the taxpayer experience. Part of that is understanding: how do people experience? What kind of journey do they go on? when they're interacting with the IRS, and then developing different measures. And a lot of the measures that they put in place at first were about timeliness and the implementation of the projects--kinds of things that you would expect, but where they were moving towards and where we were encouraging them to go is to have measures to know how they were affecting the actual taxpayer experience and were the things that they were doing the right things? Were they actually helping taxpayers to have a better experience? [Holly Hobbs:] Every year we look at this issue, and a couple of years ago, IRS received all this money to help improve the taxpayer experience. And then more recently, it lost some of that funding. Do we know if that's going to have an impact on any of its efforts? [Jessica Lucas-Judy:] Certainly it's going to have an impact. The question is how much and what's the future going to look like? The funding level is uncertain, but IRS did still have tens of billions of additional dollars, even with the precisions that are there. They had just been bringing on more staff to try to be able to do things like answer the phones more quickly, respond to correspondence. And they're facing staff reductions, they're reorganizations that are happening, and the technology challenges that we talked about, those are still there. And so, it's uncertain what the future is going to hold. [Holly Hobbs:] So among its efforts, Direct File was this new initiative by IRS that allowed taxpayers to file taxes online for free--as opposed to paying for a service. It's being piloted in some states. What's going to happen with Direct File? [Jessica Lucas-Judy:] That also remains to be seen. {MUSIC} [Holly Hobbs:] So Jessica just told us that the IRS has taken steps to improve its customer service and taxpayer experience. But, even so, taxpayer advocacy groups told us there is more IRS could do to improve its efforts. So, Jessica, given that, what more do we think the IRS should be doing? [Jessica Lucas-Judy:] Yeah. So, some of the things that they put in place, even though it's uncertain what's going to happen, it looks like some of these are still in progress. So, implementing more callback options so people can receive a call instead of having to wait on hold. Chat bots. Digital upload tools so that you can send information right away instead of having to send it through the mail. Redesigning notices to make them easier for taxpayers to understand. Expanding the electronic filing options. All of those, it seems like, are still going on. Some of the things that we think would be helpful for the IRS is to implement some of the key practices that GAO has identified for using evidence to be able to make decisions. So, these include things like defining goals that are specific to improving the taxpayer experience and making it really explicit what the connection is between a particular project or an initiative and its intended outcome. Identifying and using evidence for assessing each of those different projects and goals. And then also involving stakeholders, such as those representing taxpayers. And Direct File was a great example of that, where IRS was standing up this ability for taxpayers to file directly for free online with the IRS, and they rolled that out slowly and involved lots of different groups of taxpayers in testing so that they could make changes as they were going. And then also promoting accountability and making sure that there's someone who's responsible for specifically the taxpayer experience for monitoring that, and they're held accountable for achieving the results. [Holly Hobbs:] And last question, what's the bottom line of this report? [Jessica Lucas-Judy:] So bottom line, IRS has been making a lot of really good progress over the last couple of years. This new opportunity now with new leadership and new structure, it'll be important for the administration to be able to set out a vision for helping taxpayers and for IRS to use evidence in making decisions, holding officials accountable for achieving results. And this will help make the best use of IRS's resources. [Holly Hobbs:] That was Jessica Lucas-Judy, talking about our new report on the IRS. Thanks for your time. [Jessica Lucas-Judy:] Thank you, Holly. [Holly Hobbs:] And thank you for listening to the Watchdog Report. To hear more podcasts, subscribe to us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen and make sure to leave a rating and review to let others know about the work we're doing. For more from the congressional watchdog, the U.S. Government Accountability Office, visit us at GAO.gov.