Title: Mpox Response Highlights the Risks of Repeating Past Mistakes Description: After the COVID-19 pandemic, there was a new worldwide health emergency--a global outbreak of Mpox, which may be better known as monkeypox. That outbreak once again highlighted the need for a strong federal response to public health emergencies. But even after all we've observed from COVID, the federal government's response efforts to public health emergencies like these still face a number of challenges. GAO's Mary Denigan-Macauley tells us more. Related work: GAO-24-106276, Public Health Preparedness: Mpox Response Highlights Need for HHS to Address Recurring Challenges Released: April 2024 {Music} [Mary Denigan-Macauley:] What happens if a bad guy were to introduce something for which we have no medical countermeasures? It will be overwhelming. [Holly Hobbs:] Hi, and welcome to GAO's Watchdog Report. Your source for fact-based, nonpartisan news and information from the U.S. Government Accountability Office. I'm your host, Holly Hobbs. At the tail-end of the COVID-19 pandemic, there was another new worldwide health emergency--a global outbreak of Mpox, which may be better known as monkeypox. That outbreak once again highlighted the need for a strong federal response to public health emergencies. But even after all we've observed from COVID, the federal government's response to Mpox faces some of the same challenges seen during the pandemic response. Here to tell us more is GAO's Mary Denigan-Macauley, who led work for our new report about the federal response to Mpox. Thanks for joining us. [Mary Denigan-Macauley:] Thanks for having me, Holly. [Holly Hobbs:] So, Mary, what is Mpox? [Mary Denigan-Macauley:] So Mpox, which used to be known as monkeypox--they changed the name--is a serious infectious disease and it's in the same family as smallpox. Fortunately, it's not as infectious and as lethal as smallpox. It's spread by contact. And it starts out with kind of looks like a pimple, and it can be on your hands, it can be on your feet, it can be in your private parts. It can be on your face. And so it starts out as a small pimple that spreads as a rash. And then it becomes a blister and it bubbles up. In addition to that, you can also get body aches. You can feel like you have the flu. You get aches and pains. You can get a fever. You can get swollen lymph nodes. And it's normally found in Africa. It is endemic there. And when Europe started seeing a spread back in 2022, in May, the World Health Organization became concerned. And it also spread here to the United States. And that's why they declared an emergency of concern. [Holly Hobbs:] And what's been the federal response to Mpox so far? [Mary Denigan-Macauley:] So as we would have expected, the Department of Health and Human Services, HHS, took the lead because that's what they do. And the first thing they wanted to do was to look at what countermeasures do we have to fight this. They looked at their supply of vaccines. They looked at their supply of therapeutics--for example anti-virals--and also diagnostic test kits. They wanted to make sure they could test to see who has the virus and to track the spread. They are also responsible for communicating who's infected, who's at risk. And so they took the lead. But by August, cases continued to rise. And the White House became concerned because, remember, this is at the tail end of COVID. There's a lot of anxiety about infectious disease. And so, the White House stood up their own Mpox response team, and they really assumed leadership hoping to accelerate efforts and to be able to coordinate and manage the response. [Holly Hobbs:] So one of the things we saw during COVID is that a lot of this response actually falls to the states and localities. Right? And then they have to work with the federal government in various ways. Can you tell us what we have seen so far in the state and local response to Mpox? And maybe also, what have they've told us about how the federal government is helping them? [Mary Denigan-Macauley:] So you're absolutely right. The state and local response are at the forefront of the response. And so what was really important is to be able to get those medical countermeasures, to get the vaccines, to get the therapeutics in the hands of those who need it. So communication is key. Who's being infected by this? Initially, the state and local representatives that we spoke with said that there was a lot of confusion about who actually needed to have shot in arms, for example. And it turned out to be a very small population that it was affecting the most. It's still a highly infectious disease that can spread to anyone. But it seemed to be infecting those most of men having sex with other men. And so the communication needed to be appropriate to get those folks to come forward, to get the vaccines and treatments that they needed without stigmatizing that community. They also needed to make sure that they knew exactly how much of the vaccine was coming, because we don't have an unlimited supply. [Holly Hobbs:] So some of the mechanics of this sounds similar to what we saw during COVID. Is it? [Mary Denigan-Macauley:] It is. And that's really what our concern is. And what this report was about--is we are hearing it's echoing many of the same problems that we saw with COVID and not just COVID, but past infectious disease outbreaks, for example, having good communication, ensuring that you have the right supply to the right people. Ensuring that we have the data to be able to track where this disease is spreading. We're still struggling with things like that. We don't have good data. According to the state and local folks that we spoke with, that communication was still a concern. Leadership was a concern. Data is a concern. And it really wasn't until the White House stepped in and took control that the state and local representatives that we spoke with said that it became a better response from the federal government. [Holly Hobbs:] Public health preparedness is an area that we (GAO) designated as High Risk because of its impacts on the public and the urgent need to take action. Why hasn't HHS done more? [Mary Denigan-Macauley:] And it's a good question, and it's one that we get asked a lot. So in 2022, we added HHS's leadership in coordination of public health emergencies to our High Risk List. And if you think about that, that was in the height of the pandemic, because what we were seeing were the same problems being repeated from past outbreaks. We did have another pandemic. People forget H1N1, also known as swine flu, back in 2009--we were seeing some of those same mistakes being repeated. We also have HHS responding to disasters that happen all the time that would cause a public health emergency such as the hurricanes down in Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico. So it's absolutely critical that HHS pay attention to this and that we get sustained leadership and that action is taken. And that's why we put it on the High Risk list in 2022. This isn't just about public health. You saw schools shut down. We saw the economy just tank. They really needs to take action to address what we are calling systemic issues. {MUSIC} [Holly Hobs:] Mary just told us that while the federal government is working to prevent the spread of Mpox, its response so far echoes many of the same issues we saw during the response to COVID-19. So, Mary, what more do we think HHS should be doing to respond not only to Mpox, but also to any infectious disease threat? [Mary Denigan-Macauley:] So for this specific report, which is about Mpox, we did go a little broader with the recommendation. And in order to not repeat the same mistakes again, they really need to have a rigorous department-wide program that looks at where are we not making progress? Where do we make mistakes? How do we close those gaps? How do we ensure that we're better prepared going forward? It's not that HHS doesn't do this, but there's many, many agencies that are involved and not just within HHS, but other government agencies. For example, during COVID, we heard a lot about FEMA coming to help and the Department of Defense can help. And so instead of working in those stovepipes, we really need a departmental analysis looking over time--what have been the problems, how are we going to close that as a department to make sure that we have a holistic approach going forward? [Holly Hobbs:] And Mary, how do those steps that we're recommending fit into what we've asked HHS to do as part of our High Risk designation? [Mary Denigan-Macauley:] We need to make sure that we have sustained attention. We need to make sure that we have leadership that is committed. That when they've identified problems, they've come up with a course of action and they relay that to these very vital partners, not only at the local, state, Tribal and territorial level, but also to Congress. It takes money. It takes resources. We were short of workforce to be able to control Mpox. If you remember correctly, this came at right during COVID--at the heels of COVID--and the workforce was absolutely exhausted. So to then have to not only battle COVID, but then battle Mpox--you're not talking an easy problem to resolve. [Holly Hobbs:] And last question, what's the bottom line of this report? [Mary Denigan-Macauley:] So the bottom line of the report demonstrates really that they are repeating past mistakes and we're not really ready for the next big event. Because if you look at Mpox--Mpox was a known disease among a small subset of the population. It did not spread widely amongst all of the people. We already had countermeasures in place. You take all of that combined and we still had problems. So if you were to ask me what keeps me awake at night--what happens if a bad guy were to introduce something for which we have no medical countermeasures and they introduce it in simultaneous and multiple places around the United States, it will be overwhelming. So we are looking for HHS needs to step up its game because it is a matter of saving lives. [Holly Hobbs:] That was Mary Denigan-Macaulay talking about our new report on Mpox. Thanks for your time, Mary. [Mary Denigan-Macauley:] Thanks for having me, Holly. [Holly Hobbs:] And thank you for listening to the Watchdog Report. 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